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Biggots, biggots all around. Point...Bastards all. Biggots, biggots all around. Point to you. (You might also mention that the KKK was a key component of Saskatchewan Tory support in the early 20th Century, or that the Manitoba NDP was accused of running anti-Semitic campaigns against Jewish candidates during the 1970s.) <BR/><BR/>But my argument still stands: some party leaders are better at hiding them than others. Some face tougher challenges and biases, particularly those on the Right. My point is: Harper's got the power and talent to overcome these obstacles. And he's done a great job. Dumont hasn't.<BR/><BR/>As for whether I am worthy of the label "supporter of the CPC"... I didn't realize that uncritical faith in the Right was a prerequisite. If so, I'm the one who's "disheartened".<BR/><BR/>When someone is critical of conservatism -- more particularly, the radical elements of conservatism -- it shouldn't be considered blasphemous and anti-CPC. It's anti-intolerance, not un-Conservative.<BR/><BR/>Being an effective conservative means more than simply criticizing other groups. It means examining our own movement. If that means criticizing a leader like Dumont for failing to keep the most ignorant adequistes from showing up in the media, so be it. If that means implying that radical (i.e., non-"respectable") so-cons have no business passing themselves off as friends of the Harper government, so be it. If that means being one of the only blogs on BT to argue this, so be it. I'm certainly not going to apologize for that.<BR/><BR/>As for who's more dangerous -- left-wing extremists or right-wing radicals -- we ought to be able to come up with a good joke here, no? (A hippie and a fascist walk into a Liberal Party convention....) ;)DeepRedToryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11937805031804189941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5391794662599427552.post-80939291551451387842007-03-07T16:10:00.000-08:002007-03-07T16:10:00.000-08:00"Tree-huggers, hippies, feminists on the left; big...<I>"Tree-huggers, hippies, feminists on the left; biggots, racists, nazis on the right. Red tories persecuted in the middle."</I><BR/><BR/>I'm not so sure you understood me. While I disagree ideologically with feminists etc., bigots and racists are equally prevalent among political parties regardless of where they sit on the spectrum - left, centre, or right.<BR/><BR/>For example, the ethno-politics at the Liberal convention in December, where delegates were told by some not to vote for Bob Rae because his wife is Jewish. Someone even said this to his wife's face, and when she identified herself, the coward ran away! I have never heard of this taking place within any other party.<BR/><BR/>Within the NDP, this week we saw hardcore supporter Racist Robbie (a socialist) be denounced by the president of the party for saying he wouldn't even call it a "shame" if the state rounded up his Jewish neighbours. Does that not sound nazi like to you?<BR/><BR/>Then we can look at BQ and PQ supporters who detest anything and everything English. As far as their concerned, English people should be marched right back into Ontario.<BR/><BR/>Every political party has the same percentage of bigots, be it 2% of supporters or 20% of supporters. I find it very disheartening that someone who passes themselves as a supporter of the CPC would seem to suggest that intolerance is exclusively found on the right, and equate that with treehuggers on the left.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13366411272047035206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5391794662599427552.post-51161629777715965392007-03-07T15:41:00.000-08:002007-03-07T15:41:00.000-08:00Matt: Amen to that (pun intended). Tree-huggers,...Matt: Amen to that (pun intended). Tree-huggers, hippies, feminists on the left; biggots, racists, nazis on the right. Red tories persecuted in the middle. My real commentary was on Harper's ability to aggregate the various interests in his party, versus Dumont's lack of ability in that regard. All party leaders could learn a thing or two from the Prime Minister (although, again, power is the best adhesive).DeepRedToryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11937805031804189941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5391794662599427552.post-57937708795115703672007-03-07T15:30:00.000-08:002007-03-07T15:30:00.000-08:00Thanks for clarifying. I would like to add that b...Thanks for clarifying. I would like to add that bigotry and racism are probably prevalent in all provincial and federal parties to approximately the same percentage, and anyone saying different is just fooling themselves.<BR/><BR/>For the record, I count myself among the respectable so-cons ;)Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13366411272047035206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5391794662599427552.post-90743067227496763632007-03-07T14:13:00.000-08:002007-03-07T14:13:00.000-08:00Shannon: You're right: Dion has no friends in Que...Shannon: You're right: Dion has no friends in Quebec (except Justin Trudeau). Plans to endorse the ADQ and Greens are just plain crazy, for a lot of reasons. He'll be splitting eco-votes with the Greens and NDP across the country in the next election, so perhaps he's warming up.<BR/><BR/>Anonymous: Say what you will about the image of the Harper Conservatives. As an old-PC'er, I was a skeptical about the merger. But Harper's surprising me with his ability to keep radical social conservatism out of the party's (official) policy. Mind you, power does allow a leader to drift to the centre.<BR/><BR/>Matt: Absolutely, I'll clarify. My post was poorly worded. Not all social conservatives are biggots. The ones speaking up in the ADQ campaign are, particularly with their comments on immigration. It's reminiscent of Alliance and Reform campaigns, no? Respectable so-cons being tarnished by the most outlandish in their midst. Sorry if I contributed to the stereotype.DeepRedToryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11937805031804189941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5391794662599427552.post-51759039933152958432007-03-07T14:00:00.000-08:002007-03-07T14:00:00.000-08:00DRT:"Try as he might (and I'm not convinced he is ...DRT:<BR/><BR/><I>"Try as he might (and I'm not convinced he is trying) the ADQ leader just can't seem to keep social conservatives (read: outright biggots) from popping up in his ranks."</I><BR/><BR/>I sure hope you aren't calling social conservatives "outright bigots"? Would you care to elaborate or reexplain what you meant if my interpretation is incorrect?<BR/><BR/>Shannon: Unlike most provincial Liberal parties, the Quebec Liberals don't have any ties with the federal Liberal Party.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5391794662599427552.post-18752584864846947232007-03-07T13:05:00.000-08:002007-03-07T13:05:00.000-08:00Did you actually write this??"Try as he might (and...Did you actually write this??<BR/><BR/>"Try as he might (and I'm not convinced he is trying) the ADQ leader just can't seem to keep social conservatives (read: outright biggots) from popping up in his ranks."<BR/><BR/>I got a question for you: how can somebody be a DEEP RED TORY? I say it is incompatible with the existing CPC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5391794662599427552.post-12240207393649034732007-03-07T12:45:00.000-08:002007-03-07T12:45:00.000-08:00Eid I hear somewhare that Dion said last week that...Eid I hear somewhare that Dion said last week that he wants Quebecers to vote for the Green Party or the ADQ instead of the Charest Liberals because of their too cozy relationship with Harper.<BR/><BR/>One would think the Federal Liberal leader would be supportive of the Provincial Liberals - but, I guess Federal Liberal hate and jealously gets in the way here too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com